WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.800 --> 00:00:15.970 Lizzy Bartelt: Hello, and welcome back to coloring outside the Memos. I'm Doctor Lizzie, and with me is Doctor Tiffany. and we are here today to talk to you about doing research on the cheap. 2 00:00:16.059 --> 00:00:31.139 Lizzy Bartelt: Don't forget to follow us on Twitter at Copm Underscore Pod, or email us at Co. Tm. pod@gmail.com. So with that and lovely introduction out of the way. Dr. Tiffany, why didn't you take it away? 3 00:00:31.390 --> 00:00:37.840 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So we have been talking about? And first we back up and say, Welcome back. We know we've been on a break. 4 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:42.929 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: We have been. We needed to get our research done just what happens in academia. 5 00:00:42.940 --> 00:00:47.360 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But but welcome back to the podcast but 6 00:00:47.850 --> 00:00:55.999 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: what are some things that you do to minimize the cost of your research? This was a question that 7 00:00:56.370 --> 00:01:05.459 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: we were thinking about and have. We've just been going back and forth about. And we're like, let's make a list. So, Dr. Lizzie. 8 00:01:05.650 --> 00:01:17.039 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: what were some things that you did while you're in grad school, and then I'll share my list of some things that I did while I was in grad school, and then we'll come up with a list of what some things are out there from the research. 9 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:21.580 Lizzy Bartelt: Such a good question. So in grad school. 10 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.889 Lizzy Bartelt: I used other people's data honestly. 11 00:01:25.500 --> 00:01:32.440 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: didn't collect initial data myself. I think that's the easiest and simplest way to do research on the cheap 12 00:01:32.860 --> 00:01:41.040 Lizzy Bartelt: but also speeds up your research process quite a bit but comes with some other problems. So 13 00:01:41.660 --> 00:01:55.889 Lizzy Bartelt: that's thing. One that's like immediately comes to my head thing to is, I did in order to do qualitative data and use qualitative data in grad school. One of 14 00:01:56.270 --> 00:02:06.820 Lizzy Bartelt: the pots of money that I got was from a scholarship called Haystack, which stood for humanities. arts. 15 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:12.819 Lizzy Bartelt: HAST. A. C. Humanities, arts, technology. 16 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:16.979 This is well. 17 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:21.020 Lizzy Bartelt: this is while we were at Iu. 18 00:02:21.130 --> 00:02:31.829 Lizzy Bartelt: and haystack taught us how to do digital different digital methods for data and research. And 19 00:02:32.030 --> 00:02:55.139 Lizzy Bartelt: that project. I didn't actually have money for research participants or for research itself. But I got a little bit of a scholarship for that, yeah, and went to regular meetings with that, and had to come up with a project. And so what I did was a discourse analysis project. So when you're doing qualitative qualitative data, and you don't have secondary data analysis 20 00:02:55.140 --> 00:03:21.260 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: on a question you wanna answer? One of the things you can do is look at what else is already out there on the Internet. So whether it's via Twitter or acts, I guess, is it's now called. As I tell my students all the time. Once you get to a certain age, you're always gonna call it this year's Tower, and that's just the way it is. I don't really care what it's called now. I'm gonna keep calling it Twitter, because I'm old, and that's the way things are young at heart. 21 00:03:21.260 --> 00:03:26.840 Lizzy Bartelt: you know exactly exactly but any 22 00:03:26.930 --> 00:03:45.379 Lizzy Bartelt: So you can use data like that. You can use data on websites so if you're in help, and you wanna understand how people are being welcoming into queer populations, go and look at health webpages and see, do they have been mentioned? Lgbtq. Plus populations. I think you'll be surprised by what you find, both because 23 00:03:45.410 --> 00:03:56.549 Lizzy Bartelt: of what they include and what they don't include in the language they use, and how that can be actually exclusive, even though they're trying to be inclusive. You could go and look at 24 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:17.810 Lizzy Bartelt: web pages that are trying to get kids into swimming. And you could see how they're mentioning or not mentioning race or queer identities or trans identities. And you get to start to build up. And you can do quite a lot with research that you don't actually have to collect and spend money on, even if you're wanting to do qualitative work 25 00:04:18.140 --> 00:04:39.869 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: right? I mean, I think that's the most important part about social media is being able to use social media to the maximum oops. My microphones fall. My microphone got excited talking about this but being able to use it to the past like to the maximum I wanted. So what I will say is that I did use Chat Gp. I asked. Chat Gpt. 26 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:48.239 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: what are some of the ways to use do research on the cheap? And I. And as I shared with you before we started the podcast. 27 00:04:48.350 --> 00:04:52.770 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I had to ask it in 2 different ways. The first way I asked it was, How do you do research on the team? 28 00:04:52.790 --> 00:04:54.210 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And then I was like, Wait. 29 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:57.009 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: how do you do? Qualitative research on the team. 30 00:04:57.280 --> 00:05:14.540 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So the thing was to say qualitative research, because there is a difference between research cause it? I think it thought that I was doing marketing research. Which is fine, you know it's all good. It's all good. No, no use your degree, however, you need to right. 31 00:05:15.130 --> 00:05:38.319 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So II think one of now, I think. But one of the things that chat Gbt also came up with was social media. If it's social media listening, that's what it wrote down. It was like, Okay, so and it says, utilize social media platforms to observe discussions, dot comments and sentiments related to your research topic. I was like, okay, chat. Gbt, I see you. I see you making moves out here. 32 00:05:39.070 --> 00:05:57.439 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So there was that there was. And then another platform. I again was doing some research and trying to find other ways to do like seeing what's out there. You know. How do you do research on the team and or to minimize the cost. And somebody had also said, on Fora 33 00:05:57.460 --> 00:06:16.820 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: This person, named Daniel Hellman, who was a geoscientist author, was like, Go to a conference, you know, and not all of us who have have our graduate degrees or are in grad school. Not all of us have the funding to go to conferences. 34 00:06:17.060 --> 00:06:21.640 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But sometimes. What you can do is you can ask to volunteer. 35 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:42.909 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and they sometimes not all the time, but sometimes they will subsidize the cost of the conference. So that's really important to do. I mean to ask. You know and then at those conferences you can meet people and to discuss what your topic your interested topic is in, so you can do some networking like, put yourself out there, you know. I think that's the most important part about it 36 00:06:42.930 --> 00:06:45.559 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: is being able to put yourself out there and discuss 37 00:06:45.700 --> 00:06:56.100 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: what your topic is, and maybe they'll connect you or hook you up with some ideas. related to your research. What were you gonna say, Dr. Lizzie? 38 00:06:56.210 --> 00:06:58.149 Lizzy Bartelt: Well, I think 39 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:13.400 Lizzy Bartelt: in case you can't actually go to conferences cause you don't have any ability, and you can't find a grant at your school or university or department to like attend a conference. I've gotten emails from people who have been like. Oh, I found this article that you wrote 40 00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:34.650 Lizzy Bartelt: like 5 years ago. Can you tell me more about this process for this specific research? And their students from outside my university contact me. I just did a meeting with somebody this week, literally, who found one of my old articles and was asking me about how I did that. And if I still have any data left, and all of these different questions, so it doesn't always have to be like 41 00:07:34.810 --> 00:07:47.659 Lizzy Bartelt: physically at that conference. I think it's a little bit easier to get facetime, and sometimes that reduces social anxiety. But I also know for some people that increases social anxiety. So you can also just send an email and say, like, Hey, you're doing something cool. 42 00:07:47.960 --> 00:07:48.760 Lizzy Bartelt: That's why 43 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:55.250 Lizzy Bartelt: people love talking about their own research, probably gonna be willing to talk to you. 44 00:07:55.370 --> 00:08:02.579 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And I'm so glad that you mentioned that because that was like, you must be over here on my notes, oh, that's right. You are my 45 00:08:03.220 --> 00:08:16.619 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: like, I mean being able to connect with people via email is really important as well. I mean, if you, if you can't make it to the conference. I mean, there are times that I just, you know, especially after a pandemic, or 46 00:08:16.650 --> 00:08:25.809 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I'm I'm doing my air quotes after a pandemic, you know. The candidate Covid, is still out there and things are still happening. 47 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.340 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean, what were you saying? Dr. Lizzie 48 00:08:29.110 --> 00:08:42.109 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Covid is still happening. Covid is still happening. It is. It is so. I mean, an email is really important to connect with people. And then, of course, like connect with them on Linkedin, like Linkedin. 49 00:08:42.309 --> 00:08:43.330 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: is 50 00:08:43.630 --> 00:08:53.800 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: a valuable resource, you know. So if you can't find them at their university, maybe they're connected on Linkedin, I know somebody recently found me on Linkedin. 51 00:08:53.860 --> 00:08:55.580 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and then 52 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.560 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: they found my article. 53 00:09:00.140 --> 00:09:15.320 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Then they found me on Linkedin. Then they found me at American, and then they proceeded to email me at American. I was like, Okay, and then we connected and started talking about this branch. And so now we're putting in for this. And Nih grant. 54 00:09:15.350 --> 00:09:18.929 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So I mean, it's been really an interesting process. 55 00:09:19.050 --> 00:09:32.610 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I know it sounded kind of sockers when I began talking. But I mean, social media is a little bit of that. It is it is it? Is it is 56 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:42.460 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: the other part to it, I mean again going back to my lovely friend. Now, now, my lovely friend, Chat Gp 57 00:09:43.810 --> 00:09:48.499 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: is doing online surveys. Now, I so I don't know how I feel about. 58 00:09:48.750 --> 00:09:56.150 Lizzy Bartelt: Well, I have to feel okay about online surveys because we're getting ready to launch our own. 59 00:09:56.270 --> 00:10:00.750 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But it's about finding the right online survey that works for you. 60 00:10:00.950 --> 00:10:23.309 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So people, you know, for us here at American we have qualtrics. So if you're at your institution. This, by the way, we are we are not sponsored by anybody. So if we mentioned somebody, we are not sponsored by them. But here at 61 00:10:23.350 --> 00:10:33.360 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: but we have. We have qualtrics here at American University, and so we use qualtrics for for our our research. 62 00:10:34.180 --> 00:10:37.880 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: some people like using Google forms, I personally have 63 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:40.769 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: a love hate relationship with Google form. Be 64 00:10:40.810 --> 00:10:50.510 Lizzy Bartelt: be real careful. Y'all with research double check with your Ir. Bs on what is encrypted and what kind of survey you can actually use. 65 00:10:50.520 --> 00:11:07.169 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I know that there are Google forms, or survey monkey, or various other things, but a lot of times Irb's require you to use something encrypted which usually costs some amount of money. Most universities have some kind of subscription to something. So if it's not quote trick sometimes it's a red hat. 66 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:12.049 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Red cap. Oh, Cap, I don't you know what 67 00:11:12.180 --> 00:11:13.040 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I was like? What is 68 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.669 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: not the Red Hat Society? It's called Red Cap. Thank you. See. 69 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:25.449 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I'm just renaming the 70 00:11:25.560 --> 00:11:29.589 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: See, and I'm just renaming it for you, that's all. That's 71 00:11:31.400 --> 00:11:45.470 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so. You want to double check on your survey, like what survey you want to use to collect and and gather that data. I think that's what's really important. And then, most importantly, be very familiar with that type of online survey. You, I mean. 72 00:11:45.550 --> 00:11:55.290 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: run through the survey. I mean the survey that Dr. Lizzie and I are going to be launching eventually, which will talk eventually. Talk about soon. Not now. But 73 00:11:55.910 --> 00:12:13.650 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know we've had to run through it a couple of times, and we're still running through it. And even, you know, it's it's it's a process. It's a process. Right? It's it's a long process. I mean, you have to go through these things dozens of times, and for anybody who thinks that they can just 74 00:12:13.910 --> 00:12:40.959 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: wake up willy, nilly, and just I had a professor who used to use that term willy nilly. But give wake up, willy nilly, and say, I'm gonna put together a qualtrick survey, or I'm gonna put together a red cap, not red hat, but a red cap survey, and they put it together, and they don't run through it, you know you're doing your your respondent to disservice. You're doing yourself a disservice, so make sure you go through it, and even though it could be low cost or free like. Make sure that you go through the survey. 75 00:12:41.090 --> 00:12:42.960 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What were you gonna say, Dr. Lizzie? 76 00:12:43.450 --> 00:12:48.810 Lizzy Bartelt: No, I was just thinking about another thing like so it's not just the survey 77 00:12:49.410 --> 00:13:00.410 Lizzy Bartelt: engine or tool or survey itself that can cost money. But it's also thinking about what you're asking of participants and how much you're asking of them, and whether or not you're paying them. 78 00:13:00.580 --> 00:13:13.450 Lizzy Bartelt: and what your identity is, and what their identities are, and how much they are overtas with answering questions, and what the ethics of that are. We talked about that in another one of our episodes, and go back and take a listen. 79 00:13:14.090 --> 00:13:21.010 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I like how you said that. Yeah, I think it's really important to think about all facets of 80 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:26.480 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: of the experience of answering a a survey, you know. It's not just the 81 00:13:26.610 --> 00:13:28.400 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: burden of the 82 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:41.029 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: person creating it, but also the burden. I don't want to see burden, but it is a burden of the respondents. You know. What are? What are you giving back to them? We don't want to be taking, taking, taking, taking from a community, or especially from marginalized communities. 83 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:51.090 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so keeping it moving. so interviews conducting interviews is a cost, effective way. It's very time consuming 84 00:13:51.300 --> 00:14:06.800 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: very time consuming. But it is a cost, effective way of gathering data. you can use your professional networks. You can use social media. You can use online forms, of course, go through your irb, as I say that 85 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:13.610 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so that you can get approval for doing such things. But remember, it's very time consuming. So 86 00:14:14.310 --> 00:14:17.400 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: put that into consideration. How are you. 87 00:14:17.670 --> 00:14:34.300 Lizzy Bartelt: Dr. Tiffany? Can you talk for a moment about like the fact that cause I think, a lot of this the way you're conceptualizing cost is in like actual dollars. Can you also do a moment of like cost on like time, or like other ways that research cost you. 88 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.329 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point. So 89 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:43.280 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so for interviews, I mean, are you speak when we're talking about interviews? Specifically. 90 00:14:43.300 --> 00:14:54.519 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I know the the average my air quotes here average time for an interview may be like 60 min, right? 45 to 60 min. We're just gonna throw those numbers out there. Right? 91 00:14:54.530 --> 00:14:58.450 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So can you imagine doing 20 interviews 92 00:14:58.530 --> 00:15:11.199 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: for 45 to 60 min? That's a lot of time. So we also need to think about that time. What are you? What are? What are the people who are a part of that process? What are they getting out of that process? 93 00:15:11.510 --> 00:15:18.760 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What are they? Are you? Are you like Dr. Lizzie, you mentioned earlier? And we've talked about this in our other podcasts. 94 00:15:18.770 --> 00:15:29.240 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What are you gonna give to them? Are they are, they gonna get a gift card, are they? Gonna get a simple thank you, which some people want a thank you. At least, 95 00:15:29.980 --> 00:15:31.889 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So you want to think about that. 96 00:15:31.930 --> 00:15:41.500 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: do you have the equipment to do all of this? I think that's something that's really important. I mean, prior to 97 00:15:41.570 --> 00:15:51.990 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Zoom, really taking off. And I know I've set this in past podcasts. When Dr. Lizzie and I were doing our dissertation, Zoom did not have a transcript. 98 00:15:53.400 --> 00:16:03.160 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Okay. I'm looking. I'm looking at you right now. No, it did not. So you could record, but it did not have a transcript. And so now 99 00:16:03.760 --> 00:16:05.370 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: it has a transcript 100 00:16:05.450 --> 00:16:12.100 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: which is amazing, but you also have to think about whether or not your school has that part of their license. 101 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:23.559 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So you have to consider all of these intricate parts like, if you're doing an interview over Zoom or Skype, and you're doing 102 00:16:23.910 --> 00:16:43.069 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: a, you're getting the transcript. How are you getting that transcript? Or do you have a digital recorder? Are you recording it? I'm gonna hold up my phone. Are you doing it? But via your phone and using auto? Or was it auto AI, which some people again, have a love, hate relationship? I, personally didn't use? Aut again, you're not sponsored by auto AI 103 00:16:43.100 --> 00:16:44.770 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But 104 00:16:45.920 --> 00:16:53.110 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: but I mean again. you have to just think about. are you using a digital recorder? 105 00:16:53.270 --> 00:17:07.220 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I use a digital quarter. I had backups. I had backups to my backups, because there was one person I was interviewing. I will not, and Dr. Lizzie knows that I'm notorious for having a very, very, very, very long interview. 106 00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:12.329 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I won't mention how long. 107 00:17:12.910 --> 00:17:19.089 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So this is a part of my dissertation, and this person just kept cutting in and out. 108 00:17:19.150 --> 00:17:22.230 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and if I had not had my 109 00:17:22.369 --> 00:17:32.399 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: zoom on and I had my digital recorder and I had my phone recording, I would not have captured some of the information that this person was saying 110 00:17:32.410 --> 00:17:39.859 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so I mean just saying I needed to have all that information I needed to have all these things together. 111 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:41.110 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Go ahead. 112 00:17:41.210 --> 00:18:00.269 Lizzy Bartelt: I will also note, like I had a super old phone while I was doing my dissertation, because, you know, I was poor as a grad student, and so like I didn't have space on my phone to do all of those recordings. So what I do did was got a an additional audio recorder on my laptop 113 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:14.629 Lizzy Bartelt: and that was easier to have extra space on, because I could store those on the box, or whatever that I had access to through the school, or, you know, set up an extra Google. I don't know and 114 00:18:15.550 --> 00:18:20.320 Lizzy Bartelt: there's lots of ways to do it on the cheap, y'all and 115 00:18:21.650 --> 00:18:41.490 Lizzy Bartelt: sort all of those digitally. So then it wasn't taking up space on my phone that I had limited space on. But then I had a backup to the like an extra recording. And I could do all of that from my computer. So if you know your computer is older, maybe do an extra one on your phone. If your phone is older, do an extra one on your computer. But there's like 116 00:18:41.770 --> 00:18:48.099 Lizzy Bartelt: options here. It's not just a one. Size fits all definitely is not a one. Size fits. 117 00:18:48.370 --> 00:18:51.060 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean, I ended up getting an external drive. 118 00:18:51.270 --> 00:18:59.169 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so I well, my wife purchased an external drive for me and 119 00:18:59.500 --> 00:19:05.789 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: which was pretty much the space on the external drive, was equivalent to the space that was on my computer 120 00:19:05.900 --> 00:19:11.190 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: which this little bitty thing just just blew my mind. 121 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:23.809 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: the point being you have to think about all of these things like when you know where you gonna put that if you're doing something with pictures, for instance, where you gonna store the pictures. And again, you have to get approved by Irb. 122 00:19:23.820 --> 00:19:34.920 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: where you're gonna put all that information. Because it needs to be an encrypted system. So just putting all that into consideration. I like how you said, you know, get an extra Gmail account. 123 00:19:35.370 --> 00:19:37.269 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: does it cost anything to do that? 124 00:19:38.690 --> 00:19:42.590 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So again, along with interviews, focus groups. 125 00:19:42.980 --> 00:19:48.969 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: focus groups. Take time. I, personally, I will admit I personally, I'm not a fan of focus groups. 126 00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:53.310 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I say that very. 127 00:19:54.350 --> 00:20:18.070 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I think it's because it takes so much. It takes a lot of time, and there's so many voices, and if there's so many voices in a circle, or however you're gonna do it, let it be over, Zoom, let it be in person. What have you. It just requires a lot of energy, a lot, just a lot of energy from you, cause you, as the person that is giving the interview you have to. 128 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.729 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: You have to come with it like I feel like you are putting on a show 129 00:20:21.910 --> 00:20:26.549 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: like you are. 130 00:20:27.610 --> 00:20:30.080 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I don't know like I feel like 131 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:37.780 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you, you, I feel like you're the you're at the center. You're trying to pull people together. Yeah, so 132 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:44.099 Lizzy Bartelt: right? Like, I think of it a little bit like I the teaching hat that I put on, and sometimes 133 00:20:44.570 --> 00:21:14.120 Lizzy Bartelt: I think back to my days of being in drama in high school, and it's like the same performer had I put on when I walk into the classroom. And I'm like, okay, right now, right? Even though I do a lot of silent time in the classroom, or I'm not talking. I'm listening. It's still a performance in some capacity. So putting on your focus group, Pat is putting on your performance hat. And it's learning how to set the stage and how to 134 00:21:14.120 --> 00:21:25.109 Lizzy Bartelt: create that environment in order for people to share. But that's another one of those costs. And while certainly this episode is focused on that money cost, we want to really note that 135 00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:49.699 Lizzy Bartelt: time is a cost, and that energy is a cost, and that most cognitive right thinking is a cost in your emotional capacity as a cost. And if it's gonna cost you 6 months of therapy to deal with whatever comes out in one of those interviews or focus groups. I don't know. Is it actually a cost saver? Maybe maybe not. Only you can decide that. But do you think about some of the other costs? Aside from just 136 00:21:49.790 --> 00:21:59.209 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: dollars and cents? Yeah, II think that was the thing that after going through my dissertation or not going through it, but like. 137 00:22:00.260 --> 00:22:04.099 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: after each interview. I had to take a minute 138 00:22:05.380 --> 00:22:18.810 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: because it was it was so personal, and it should be personal, and and that's something that somebody our friend Daniel said that you should definitely be. 139 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:29.510 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Oh, we're not being sponsored by Quora at all but our friend Daniel says, you know, pick a topic that you're interested in. You like how I'm doing this, don't you? 140 00:22:29.710 --> 00:22:40.299 Lizzy Bartelt: They love it so much listeners. I'm so sorry you cannot see our faces, but I'm like falling off my chair, laughing right now. So enjoy that background image. 141 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:49.339 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean. But you should pick a topic that you that you actually enjoy, and that you're passionate about. But with that passion and that care you need to do self care. 142 00:22:49.710 --> 00:22:58.170 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And I think we've talked about that in other podcasts, in the past. you know, and in thinking about your positionality. 143 00:22:58.230 --> 00:23:01.320 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: what is your positionality in that. 144 00:23:02.290 --> 00:23:06.270 Lizzy Bartelt: hey? Can we pause real quick? I have somebody at my door. 145 00:23:07.620 --> 00:23:11.139 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Hey, Lindsey, we're back on the recording. Okay? So here we go. 146 00:23:11.340 --> 00:23:22.650 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So you definitely want to plan something that you enjoyed. Thank you, Daniel, our friend from Quora And I think that's really really important. In addition to doing that. 147 00:23:23.610 --> 00:23:25.979 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you want to consider 148 00:23:26.030 --> 00:23:28.689 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: the the type of 149 00:23:29.310 --> 00:23:58.129 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: data collection you're doing, I mean, are you? Are you just doing interviews? Are you doing a focus group? Are you doing observational what you can do. Observational data collection, I mean, so are you doing online surveys like what? What is not? Again, not just the cost part, the monetary part, but also the emotional part, the all the other aspects. To collecting this data, so observational observational data collection is also another way to. 150 00:23:59.280 --> 00:24:16.130 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: for like words do it on the cheap but on the other side you gotta get there right? So you sometimes you gotta get to a place. Sometimes you've got to meet with people you've got to ask permission to do the activational data collecting you've got, I mean, especially if it's any particular kind of 151 00:24:16.890 --> 00:24:31.680 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: any marginalized community, or with a specific demographic, or what have you? So these are things that you have to really consider? We're thinking about. And I know I just transition into observational data there. But just thinking about that, what were you gonna say, Doctor Lucy? 152 00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:38.800 Lizzy Bartelt: Yeah, I think one of the things that just came into my head. As you were saying, that was 153 00:24:39.890 --> 00:24:55.659 Lizzy Bartelt: first of all, we're talking a little bit from the perspective. We're dual talking of grad student life and of early career life, and both of us are not in tenure roles. So we're not applying for Grant. So we're also doing 154 00:24:55.850 --> 00:25:00.179 Lizzy Bartelt: but, however, if there are people out there 155 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:03.910 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: who would like to consider us. 156 00:25:04.070 --> 00:25:10.410 Lizzy Bartelt: we're we're here for all of those fun things. 157 00:25:10.780 --> 00:25:26.660 Lizzy Bartelt: it's fine, shameless plugs. Yeah, we all live in this world. So anyway, I was going to say, like as a grad student, I know one of the costs of research for me was having conversations with my faculty members, because at the place we both graduated from 158 00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:43.290 Lizzy Bartelt: We had to have a faculty member on our Irb to get that approved. So it wasn't just about the financial costs or the emotional cost or the labor costs, was also about that conversation back and forth with advisors and mentors, and all of that 159 00:25:43.400 --> 00:26:11.570 Lizzy Bartelt: on the faculty side. I can technically put in as many Irb's as I wanted to, I suppose, but I'm not going to right. And technically I could sponsor as many students as I wanted to. But I have a finite amount of time, and I have a lot of other tasks on my list. So now the cost is not just financial, but it's also labor intensive. And how much time do I have, and how much can I help other people do projects right? And so like, I think. 160 00:26:11.820 --> 00:26:17.260 Lizzy Bartelt: as I think about this question, like one of the things I think about is like the other 161 00:26:18.490 --> 00:26:33.989 Lizzy Bartelt: pieces that come up for that. And this isn't the episode for all of those, and we've talked about a lot of them before, but are listening to this in your in your early career. And you're not so much worried about how do I get Irb approval? But you're worried about those financial pieces like 162 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:49.369 Lizzy Bartelt: hopefully, we've given you some of that. If you are a grad student and you're like that's great that you're saying all of these tools for how to do it on the cheap. But how do I get the like political cost, right, or the capital to be able to ask my advisors that so 163 00:26:49.510 --> 00:26:54.669 Lizzy Bartelt: do you have any thoughts for the grad, students on that, Dr. Tiffany? 164 00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:57.310 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Be brave. 165 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:05.919 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I don't know. Start singing Sarah Bro. Bralises song. Brave? I don't know. 166 00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:10.690 Lizzy Bartelt: I mean honestly right like I think 167 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:12.480 I think for me like 168 00:27:14.430 --> 00:27:20.039 Lizzy Bartelt: when I was a student, one of the things that really helped me think through that was saying like 169 00:27:20.570 --> 00:27:37.989 Lizzy Bartelt: I would do this picture of how it would help my advisor out right. It's like this is really gonna be good for you, because I'm gonna do all this work, and you just get to be seen your author on this. And I know you have a promotion coming up. So I'll write you a letter and they like having their I mean, like, let's be real like 170 00:27:38.280 --> 00:27:52.539 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: people who are senior faculty love having their egos run like I mean, I mean, II feel like, because they do. They do, and we are not wrong. It was just funny the wording you used 171 00:27:53.540 --> 00:27:59.650 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: stroked, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what other words I could say right now. but 172 00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:03.170 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: but 173 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:10.959 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean it's the I mean there, I mean. I think at the end of the day I like how you said. 174 00:28:11.080 --> 00:28:17.710 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Hey, listen! I'm I'm here to do this work. You're going to be the senior author on it. 175 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:33.439 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: How can how can we work together? And I think that goes back to my chat. Gbt thing where it says collaboration, stop collaborate and listen. I'm kidding. I'm not gonna go into ice ice, baby. But I mean, that's probably before some people's times. But 176 00:28:33.600 --> 00:28:39.520 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: but collaboration is really important when we're talking about. 177 00:28:40.340 --> 00:28:50.790 Lizzy Bartelt: go ahead. This reason I have to say real quick. Of course, I see, is before some people's time. My, I play Tina to my students this week, and they didn't know who she was. 178 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:51.859 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Oh, who? 179 00:28:52.370 --> 00:28:57.560 Lizzy Bartelt: Tina Turner? Oh, Tina Turner! My students did not know Tina Turner tiff. 180 00:28:57.690 --> 00:28:58.950 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Oh, no. 181 00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:03.450 Lizzy Bartelt: no! So they absolutely would not know iced teeth. 182 00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:05.560 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But you mean vanilla ice 183 00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:11.539 Lizzy Bartelt: both both. I see andinalize that. 184 00:29:11.850 --> 00:29:22.070 Lizzy Bartelt: That's problematic. I'm sorry this is completely tangential. It is complete. But that's qualitative research for you. 185 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:27.889 Lizzy Bartelt: Welcome to our world, welcome to our world! Welcome to our world, I mean. 186 00:29:27.970 --> 00:29:30.929 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I think at the end of the day 187 00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:44.809 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: when we're doing this beautiful research, this beautiful thing called research and asking faculty to really be a part of the process. You just have to be aware of what you're asking. 188 00:29:44.850 --> 00:29:49.220 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and just come come to them with a clear outline of what 189 00:29:49.430 --> 00:29:54.630 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: it is unique from them because they have limited time. 190 00:29:55.530 --> 00:29:59.969 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and maybe you have limited time. 191 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:13.460 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But just be very clear on what it is you need from them, cause that's that's that's I can already hear some of the faculty members that I probably would have wanted to have worked with saying, Well, what do you need from me 192 00:30:13.490 --> 00:30:25.630 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: like, no, I mean that cause. That's the question. What do you need from me? Yes, you need time. You need their signature. You need all these other things. Maybe they have money. Maybe they don't. 193 00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:27.510 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Maybe they don't. 194 00:30:27.860 --> 00:30:41.829 Lizzy Bartelt: I mean, but maybe they have power. Maybe they have, you know, and like one of the things that I think we're getting to in this episode is to be creative not only and like 195 00:30:42.490 --> 00:30:51.389 Lizzy Bartelt: financial cost, but in other costs and in other ways of working together. A lot of research, I think, is playing the game and figuring. Yeah. 196 00:30:52.260 --> 00:30:58.730 Lizzy Bartelt: how you can support other people. And when you're a student. If you're not given that play book, it all feels like 197 00:30:58.810 --> 00:31:06.800 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: completely new language you're learning. And it's really, really tough. It is very tough. And I think you have to be a visionary. 198 00:31:06.990 --> 00:31:11.800 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I you know you have to be a visionary in in the type of research you want to do 199 00:31:11.990 --> 00:31:19.170 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: so. Just be very clear, like, what is your positionality? What is your research question? What are 200 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:43.299 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What are the questions you want to ask your respondents? What are the qua or the interviewees, you know, or what are the questions? That you want to go on your in a not just your interview. Guides. Excuse me, but also your your online questionnaire. What kind of tool do you want to use? How much is that gonna cost you? How much is it not gonna cost you how much with the emotional cost gonna be? What are you going to do to take care of yourself? 201 00:31:43.390 --> 00:31:55.220 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Big picture! What are you gonna do to take care of yourself? How are you going to memo? what I mean? So these are some of those kind of questions. And I know we, you know again, this is like 202 00:31:55.320 --> 00:31:59.209 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: the the topic of this is how to do research on the team. But, like again. 203 00:31:59.300 --> 00:32:07.679 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: as Dr. Lucy was saying, it's more than just doing research on the chief. It's it's more than just the monetary. It's all aspects of the research 204 00:32:07.820 --> 00:32:10.810 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: for you as a researcher. 205 00:32:11.770 --> 00:32:19.969 Lizzy Bartelt: So yeah, go ahead, Doctor Lizzie. So, Dr. Tiffany, I guess. What do you want people to walk away from this with what is kind of the take home here. 206 00:32:20.570 --> 00:32:21.560 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: breathe. 207 00:32:26.090 --> 00:32:37.029 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean staying in school as long as you. Possibly. No, I'm kidding No, I mean, you know why, II think actually, I use my Iu 208 00:32:37.070 --> 00:32:41.900 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: email address as long as I possibly could 209 00:32:42.580 --> 00:32:44.580 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: for research. 210 00:32:44.590 --> 00:32:50.399 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: because I knew that I could keep my student account or student 211 00:32:51.300 --> 00:33:03.899 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: account, active for as long as I possibly could would be with not Max, Qd. But would deduce, or in vivo, or whatever it was I was using to to help with my data analysis. 212 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:10.200 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know. so that was one thing. I think the other thing is, is that 213 00:33:10.310 --> 00:33:21.030 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: just ask around like, ask your colleagues what they're doing. Don't be afraid to ask questions. And I think that's been a running theme throughout our entire podcast 214 00:33:21.450 --> 00:33:34.430 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: yeah, I think Ding Ding is to ask questions of your peers, of your mentors, of people who you think could possibly be mentors. I think that's something that's gonna be really important. 215 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.560 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Be. 216 00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:42.110 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: find a project again. I'm gonna emphasize this. But thank you, Daniel. 217 00:33:42.370 --> 00:33:48.099 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: thank you for finding a project that interests you because I will. I'm gonna tell this story real quick. 218 00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:56.229 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So I had this. I went my wife and I before before we were married. When we were dating. We were. We went. 219 00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:02.009 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: well, what's the call rock climbing? But it's like on the wall rock wall climbing. 220 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:04.479 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What is it, Lizzie? 221 00:34:06.100 --> 00:34:12.690 Lizzy Bartelt: I mean, yeah, just rock climbing like you can say indoor climbing, indoor climbing. Thank you. So we went indoor climbing. 222 00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:22.590 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And it hit me because I was a recreation park and tourism studies. Program. My major, my major was leisure behavior. 223 00:34:23.380 --> 00:34:26.049 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: in the department of recreation parks and tourism studies. 224 00:34:26.070 --> 00:34:36.970 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And I was like, Wow, you know I am. I'm gonna do a project on black and brown people doing indoor climbing. Now, if somebody wants to take this up, go ahead. 225 00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:42.010 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So it hit me while I'm like sitting there saying, Blay. 226 00:34:42.350 --> 00:34:47.190 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: whatever the signals are. you know. Let me go. 227 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:56.619 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Believe me, you can climb on, climb on. That's right. 228 00:34:57.950 --> 00:35:08.670 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Yes, those are all the right words. Don't listen to the words that I give cause I was wrong. It's completely wrong. So I had this moment where I was like. Oh, this is such a great idea! 229 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:15.119 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So I take it back. And you know we get this is over spring, a spring one of the spring breaks, and I 230 00:35:15.230 --> 00:35:20.639 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: tell my the person I was working with at the time. And I was like, you know, I think I want to do this. 231 00:35:20.830 --> 00:35:26.939 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and he was like, Okay, like, write it up. Can I just tell you I got stuck because I wasn't passionate about it? 232 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:36.760 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean, my passion is swimming like at the end of the day, you Google, me! And it's like swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming. you know, and black women in swimming. 233 00:35:37.070 --> 00:35:39.499 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But it was not about climbing. 234 00:35:39.910 --> 00:35:48.119 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I think I just had this high from climbing that one particular day in Nashville shout out to that Nashville indoor climb center. 235 00:35:48.250 --> 00:35:52.000 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But it was. I mean, it was an amazing experience. 236 00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:59.980 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: because I looked around and there was no other black and brown people in there except you know, myself and my wife and my now wife. 237 00:36:00.130 --> 00:36:04.720 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So I mean, I think that was really it's something to keep in mind. 238 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:17.230 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I say, well, this is, say something to keep in mind, find a project that you're passionate about, and that you actually care about, and that you're going to want to invest in, and that you're not going to regret. I think if I had done that. it's not that I would have regretted it. 239 00:36:17.240 --> 00:36:22.350 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I don't think II don't think that the end product would have been as valuable 240 00:36:22.410 --> 00:36:26.599 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: as the other products that I've written out. I've completed. 241 00:36:26.710 --> 00:36:28.589 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So that's all I'm saying to that 242 00:36:28.630 --> 00:36:35.000 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Go ahead. Can I add something to them? Yeah, go ahead, of course. 243 00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:36.460 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: No, you can't pick. 244 00:36:38.710 --> 00:36:42.600 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean, that would be a fine response. 245 00:36:42.640 --> 00:36:45.110 Lizzy Bartelt: What I will say to that is like. 246 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:52.089 Lizzy Bartelt: I think, a lot of advice that mentors sometimes give out is. 247 00:36:52.280 --> 00:37:02.729 Lizzy Bartelt: I mean, you were pretty lucky that your mentor said in that specific instance that your mentor said like, sure, just write it up. My mentor when I first pitched 248 00:37:03.120 --> 00:37:06.830 Lizzy Bartelt: one of my project ideas was like. well. 249 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.789 Lizzy Bartelt: you're not gonna find anyone like that. Or you're gonna have that like 250 00:37:13.530 --> 00:37:32.310 Lizzy Bartelt: people are gonna be really mean to you on the job market. If you do that like, they're not gonna wanna hire you. And what I will tell you is every single participant in my dissertation study at the end of that interview, said, Thank you so much. You're the first person I've ever told this to you, and I just feel so validated and so whole right like. 251 00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:41.769 Lizzy Bartelt: have that experience, and to hear that like, and to have people feel seen and to be seen in that research, like also takes it to that next level. So I think 252 00:37:42.030 --> 00:37:54.889 Lizzy Bartelt: not till like I'm not saying, don't listen to your mentors, but you know sometimes don't listen to your mentors and do what needs to be done, because if you care about it, there are other people who care about it. 253 00:37:55.020 --> 00:37:59.429 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and I need to be honest with you. II didn't end up writing about 254 00:38:00.550 --> 00:38:05.749 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: into our rock while climbing. 255 00:38:06.930 --> 00:38:11.509 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I mean, it would have just been a short journal article. I you know 256 00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:15.719 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: II did not end up writing about it. But I mean, II think 257 00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:20.070 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: again, it's something that I have to acknowledge. It was a part of my growth. 258 00:38:20.380 --> 00:38:24.320 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know as a part of my growth, and and thankfully 259 00:38:24.410 --> 00:38:42.889 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: that person like said, Hey, you know, write it up, and I, you know, ended up not writing it up, and I was a part of a 2 person team, and you know I failed miserably, and I had to admit my wrongs, you know, and I was like, you know, I'm sorry, like I just I just couldn't do it, you know. 260 00:38:43.510 --> 00:38:52.049 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And he was like, Hey, can I take the topic I was like, go ahead, take the topic. Do what you wanna do with the topic. I was like, you're a white man. Wanna write about black and brown people 261 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.360 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: go at it. 262 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:57.300 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know. That's another topic for another day. 263 00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:00.400 Lizzy Bartelt: you know. I think it, too. You're right like. 264 00:39:00.660 --> 00:39:03.509 Lizzy Bartelt: give your topics to other people. If they're not your jam. 265 00:39:03.620 --> 00:39:09.790 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Yeah, if they're not your jam like, it's okay. It's really okay, because that's additional 266 00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:11.060 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: energy 267 00:39:11.100 --> 00:39:16.160 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: that you would have spent on something that you are not passionate about. 268 00:39:17.790 --> 00:39:22.730 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I you know I look at my I'm looking at my my library of books. 269 00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:30.260 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: And all of these books are written by people who were passionate about something. Let it be 270 00:39:30.330 --> 00:39:44.730 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: bell hooks. Let it be a Frederick Douglass, let it be. You know, Angela Davis, let it be. You know it's all these amazing authors, and some not all academicians. And you're just 271 00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:46.799 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: they were passionate about something. 272 00:39:46.850 --> 00:39:50.459 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know. Let it be about Dubois, you know, and 273 00:39:51.220 --> 00:39:56.520 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I think that's something that we have to consider when writing are when doing qualitative research. 274 00:39:56.600 --> 00:40:02.369 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: What is the what is the expense that it's going to be on you as the researcher. 275 00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:05.409 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Maybe that's what we need to rename this, this. 276 00:40:05.810 --> 00:40:09.740 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: this podcast episode would be expense as the researcher. 277 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:10.860 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: You know? 278 00:40:11.370 --> 00:40:22.919 Lizzy Bartelt: Yeah. So like, I wanna take a moment and acknowledge somebody who I met early on in my professional career not gonna say their name. One cause. I legitimately don't remember it anymore, and 2 because 279 00:40:23.730 --> 00:40:40.930 Lizzy Bartelt: I don't have permission to say their name. But early on in my professional career I was talking to somebody at a youth development workshop that I went to every month, and it was a monthly meeting, and it was like a coalition of people, and we were all doing youth development in some capacity, and I was 280 00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:56.960 Lizzy Bartelt: telling this other person about like, Oh, my gosh! My boss is asking me to do this whole new project, and I just don't know how I'm gonna have time for it, because I'm already working 60 HA week and like. And I didn't understand boundaries on my professional life at that point in my career. 281 00:40:57.150 --> 00:41:08.730 Lizzy Bartelt: And this woman who I was talking to said to me. Well, you need to frame it, how your boss can hear it. And I said, I don't know what that means, and she said, Well, tell your boss that you don't have resources for that. And I said, But 282 00:41:08.830 --> 00:41:12.020 Lizzy Bartelt: it's a free program. I can technically do it. And she said. 283 00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:35.660 Lizzy Bartelt: Now you don't have time, because you're already working 60 HA week, and your time is a resource. And I was like, oh, and she's like you always have to frame things in a way your supervisor can hear them, and so like they think in money, so frame it in money. So sometimes your mentor is telling you. Oh, just take on this extra paper that I don't have time to write, and you're like. 284 00:41:36.410 --> 00:41:49.500 Lizzy Bartelt: I am already crying. I'm already working 7 days a week. I'm working. and our days, or whatever it is, I don't have time for my relationship. My partner just broke up with me because I'm not spending time with him, like whatever it is like. 285 00:41:49.900 --> 00:42:05.379 Lizzy Bartelt: We've been there right? We've experienced so many different things, and so I think, too, like let me pay it forward and get that advice to you all like, do you actually have the resources? Even if it is technically free to do? Do you actually have the resources? 286 00:42:05.910 --> 00:42:10.410 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: This is a good point. That's just a really really good point. I mean, I 287 00:42:10.630 --> 00:42:15.210 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: it's it's more than it's more than about money. 288 00:42:17.930 --> 00:42:33.160 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: you know. It's more. It's more than just the dollar bills. You know it's it's it's that emotional labor. it's that emotional labor. I'm glad that you mentioned that I really am. I mean, I feel like, we've mentioned that throughout this entire podcast today 289 00:42:33.200 --> 00:42:36.379 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: in an episode today, you know, 290 00:42:37.170 --> 00:42:40.480 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: wow, we've covered so much. 291 00:42:42.150 --> 00:42:47.970 Lizzy Bartelt: We always do. So we do. II think the one last thing I 292 00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:51.579 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: one, and I think we've mentioned this 293 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.529 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: When you are scheduling your interview. If you decide to schedule interviews 294 00:42:59.100 --> 00:43:03.909 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: try to use the online like caliber. 295 00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:08.350 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: II like Calendar, but I just don't like the name of it. 296 00:43:08.660 --> 00:43:10.250 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But 297 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:28.259 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: there are others. There are others. I just use calendar for here at work at American. Maybe you're using doodle poll, or maybe using other things. You know, whatever it is like, think about using online recruitment free tools 298 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.010 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: to schedule those interviews. 299 00:43:31.410 --> 00:43:52.750 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: and then thinking about those recruitment for online communities. Maybe it's Facebook. Maybe it's Linkedin. Maybe it's reddit or pillow for, or twitter again, it requires Irb approval if you decide to do that just thinking about that, and I use pillow for from you, Dr. Lizzie. But the rest of it came from chat vpt. 300 00:43:55.070 --> 00:43:56.650 Lizzy Bartelt: Well, it can't know 301 00:43:56.910 --> 00:43:59.260 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: it can't know everything. Cannot 302 00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:01.569 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: go ahead 303 00:44:01.830 --> 00:44:20.589 Lizzy Bartelt: just a quick moment as somebody who uses calendly a lot, and who gives that link to hundreds of students every semester. Make sure you're real specific on the times that you are allowing it to schedule on your calendar and giving space between interviews, so you can set it up so that there's 304 00:44:20.590 --> 00:44:46.189 Lizzy Bartelt: like an automatic 60 min after each scheduled appointment, or 30 min after each appointment. So it'll link with your calendar. But it will know some of those rules, and because, just like, Dr. Tiffany said earlier. I have had this experience every time I've done interviews as well that I need to book myself at least a half hour afterwards, because otherwise my brain gets too heavy, and I'll start crying in the middle 305 00:44:46.190 --> 00:45:04.089 Lizzy Bartelt: of things. I won't be able to emotionally regulate, or you know, maybe I'll be fine in that moment, and I think I'm fine. And then I'm just sobbing in the middle of the serial aisle happened more than once. I don't recommend it. It's not a fun experience. So do yourself a favor and plan that out ahead of time. 306 00:45:06.090 --> 00:45:17.960 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: That sounds. Yeah. Planning is is essential, especially what qualitative research I mean, again, not comparing qualitative to quantitative, because that's what we're here to do. That is not what we're to do. But we want. 307 00:45:19.330 --> 00:45:32.829 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But we wanna make sure that you that you plan accordingly, like you give yourself some breathing room, you know, when when you're doing this let it be content. Analysis, let it be focus groups, let it be observational, let it be interviews. 308 00:45:32.860 --> 00:45:40.639 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: let it be surveys, let it be using social media. I'm going down my chat. Gbt list. 309 00:45:40.890 --> 00:45:46.150 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Let me go ahead, and you know I don't want I don't want somebody be like. Well, she found this on here. 310 00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:48.240 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Go ahead. 311 00:45:48.420 --> 00:46:08.430 Lizzy Bartelt: I just wanna say, too, like give you a lot of kudos for not only using Chat Gp, but acknowledging it and owning where you got your sources. And so all these students out there. It's fine if you use these tools, unless your faculty member says not to, but like acknowledge it, own it. 312 00:46:08.580 --> 00:46:09.930 Lizzy Bartelt: Chair. Where are you? 313 00:46:09.970 --> 00:46:13.140 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: You've got to. You've got to, and especially being 314 00:46:13.210 --> 00:46:26.930 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: early career folks, I mean, or graduate students. You've got to linkedin also had an article back in September 20 ninth on the 2023. This is what happens when you've been hired a little bit too long. Right? 315 00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:37.309 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: I'm I'm I. You know why I'm in higher Ed, because anyway, cause I can rattle off citations in my head. 316 00:46:38.310 --> 00:46:49.219 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: But I mean so they also had an article. But it was about market research. And so that's where the scheduling of online stuff. Online interviews came up. 317 00:46:49.300 --> 00:47:03.860 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So just kind of be cognizant of of your where you're citing things, how you're citing it use chat Gp is not scary just. I just want to say that I mean I was a little intimidated at first, but I was like, Okay, wait, let's just ask. Let's ask. 318 00:47:04.110 --> 00:47:08.850 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: Let's see, let's see what Chat Gpt got to say about this. you know. 319 00:47:09.410 --> 00:47:33.499 Lizzy Bartelt: So new technology is fun. So it sounds like that kind of wraps us up. Yeah, it does wrap us up. I'm really, I'm really glad that we got to talk about this today. Me, too. Me, too. Thank you for taking us on this journey. Little backpacks on we wandered through. We thought about a whole lot of different things. Where can people find us if they want to find us? So you can follow us on Twitter, as you said earlier Twitter at at 320 00:47:33.580 --> 00:47:40.709 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: COMC. OTM. Underscore pod for emails at COTM. pod@gmail.com. 321 00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:47.059 Tiffany Monique Quash, PhD: So right. Yeah, I'm Dr. Lizzie. I'm Dr. Tiffany. 322 00:47:47.130 --> 00:47:53.369 Lizzy Bartelt: and you've been listening to coloring outside. The Memos have a great one. You all see you in the next episode.